Although, I don't really buy into that too much. Tyrion seemed pretty confident Jaime could take him on and Jaime didn't think much of him either. He said that Arthur and Barristan were equal, but that Dayne had a better weapon. It's a hard-earned slim majority. A fun parody of Game of Thrones where I meme the crap out of Robert Baratheon and add in a lot of creative and funny edits.Thank you to my Patrons: DXXG, Wes. Scenario 1: Robert faces of against Arthur Dayne instead of Rhaegar Targaryen at the battle of the trident (Book Dayne) What were you just dying to chime in with when they were debating? The Battle of the Seven Stars is EXTREMELY ancient history, it doesn't have very credible documentation. Maybe in the hands of someone like Gregor Clegane it could, but even that is very questionable. Notes: Inspired by In The. Both were extraordinarily effective fighters, but I think Robert takes the advantage here. Who will win in a fight between Arthur Dayne and Robert Baratheon? Geralt vs prime Jamie, Barriston Selmy, Arthur Dayne, Robert Baratheon, and Daemon Blackfyre. Robert could possibly win unlike Ned. The Dragon Radar now also detects Infinity Stones as well One lightly armed 7 year old every day for ten years, or Kratos (God of War) vs Ra (Egyptian Mythology). He was a massive guy! The Mountain was a brute with a sword. Do they make How well would Jesus Christ do at the Olympic Games? Robert's aggression, strength and thick armor works to his advantage in the above-mentioned setting. Female trained in Muay Thai for 2 years vs. male with no Press J to jump to the feed. Ser Dayne, if he can use Dawn. They were once minor kings, styling themselves as Kings of the Torrentine . As for Robert vs Dayne/Barristan don't get me wrong, Robert can't win either of those fights I think, but he certainly could hold in 1vs1 with either of them, enough for Clegane team helping him . What surprised you? Put 'em in an arena, though, and the odds would turn the other way, I think. By Southpaw89, December 4, 2012 in General (ASoIaF . The Gear: Gerold: Kingsguard heavy plate, poleaxe, light warhammer, dagger. Prelude. Jorelle Lannister wanted nothing more than to be just like her father, with one exception. The Game of Thrones footage should excite any fan, as it involves Sansa Stark (Sophie Turner) meeting Daenerys Targaryen (Emilia Clarke) for the first time and ceding Winterfell (the Stark family home) to the Dragon Queen "Winterfell seu, sua senhoria", diz a mais velha das irms Stark Me dos Drages Dell T140 Nvme Sansa Stark has no. First of all, he's dual wielding, and not even using his second sword in a way that truly benefits him (such as parrying with the offhand and stabbing with the main). If they fight like they did in the show, I give Robert decent odds at defending the weak joints of his armor and crushing chests in. Finally, because of the setting Robert's entire body will be jarred anytime his weapon makes contact with the stones that compose the Tower of Joy, this is a definite terrain advantage to Dayne because of the setting being in the Tower of Joy, as opposed to an open field. GRRM said that with Dawn, Dayne is superior to Selmy but without it they're equals. Dayne, while we know very little about him, would not be able to overpower Robert, and would therefore likely be forced to avoid a direct head-on-confrontation. What are those weaknesses? The drunkard, the giant, the one and only: Robert Baratheon. dayne with dawn should be a bit above robert, due to speed and skill. Choose the champions, moderator, and setting for the finale debate between Robert Baratheon and the winner of debate #6. Arthur Dayne had a much stronger argument. As fight itself. THE NIGHT | arthur dayne by Olivia. See the current bracket here. Soldiers are running, screaming and dying, the ground is slicked with blood and discarded weapons and limbs, arrows are whistling past your ear all in all it's a pretty chaotic situation. The problem is that we don't know a lot about Dayne. No one signed up to have their debating critiqued so keep discussion to the characters rather than your fellow crows. I also doubt that Valyrian steel can cut through plate armor, that's kinda fallacious, it's not Adamantium. Although, once the debate started I had a feeling Robert was gonna win because his champion's argument was stronger than Dayne's champion. Put 'em in an arena, though, and the odds would turn the other way, I think. Prime Robert, whoever reads the books knows he has more feats of single combat, reach advantage strenght advantage and weapon advantage this is armoured 1v1, dayne is the favourite if somehow Bob agrees to have a sword duel warhammer on the menu and it's bobby b's fight to lose h2h Robert murderstomps hard, Dayne is the best swordsman, he wins against other swordsman but there's more and deadlier weapons. This was posted a long time ago, but Dayne should stomp. Facing him is the future king of Westeros himself Robert Baratheon just a few months into his reign as king. He's a decent swordsman, maybe, but his height and strength. Really it's very simple Elrond is equipped as all Noldor with a full suit of Elven plate, but he doesn't have Vilya. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking pointless knowledge gathered from a life spent reading and gaming and swinging it like a gladiator's sword in discussions on reddit then welcome home, my friend. Distance control simply means stepping backwards to ensure that your enemy stays just at the edge of your threat range. A blade we know very little about other than Jaimie's description when he was knighted. Against someone in actual plate, with a crushing warhammer, I think show pretender to the Dayne legacy is cooked. He also has the advantage in terms of weapons since medieval swords in all honesty was terrible against armor. I think a fight between Robert and Dayne would be a very, very close match. Although I do think /u/TheRealDills should've won based on his arguments. His biggest strength is his massive skill which we're mostly told of by Jamie who obviously idolizes Dayne because he was knighted by him. Even if it's true, the armor that they used at that time couldn't have been near as good and durable as the one used currently. Jon decides he'd be better off finding a new life far away from Westerns. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Lots of things are likely to hinder both fighters unless they're agile and quick on their feet. This debate just made me realize how terrifying Robert must have been in his prime. He has the far longer reach in this fight, as well as a cooler head, and by all accounts more combat skill. #1. He didn't even start his training . He was an accomplished tourney knight whenever he felt it necessary to compete. Round 2 Robert is laughably out of shape and would be pretty rusty. I'm going to base this answer on both the books and the TV series. Sir Arthur Dayne is a GOD! Because a fighter of Dayne's caliber would realize the weaknesses of Robert's unique weapon and use it against him. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Cookie Notice New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. A Forum of Ice and Fire A Song of Ice and Fire & Game of Thrones Robert would lose all 3 rounds. He didn't say anything about them being the top swordsmen to the best of my knowledge, but it does kinda go without saying anyway. Ignore my answer. Also easy to get distracted. Scenario 1: Robert faces of against Arthur Dayne instead of Rhaegar Targaryen at the battle of the trident (Book Dayne), Scenario 2: Robert faces of against Dayne from the show, Scenario 3: Robert Baratheon vs. Ned stark and his group at the tower of Joy (how would he fare 4v1?). #1 Edited By phillip33. Arthur Dayne had a much stronger argument. SotM for life. @kilius GRRM said that with Dawn, Dayne is superior to Selmy but without it they're equals. If your comments are seen as attacking anyone involved, theyll be removed. and robert's army in general was pretty battle weary. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. At some point in the not too distant future, Tywin intended to speak firmly with some of his informants about that. Robert was crowned king after King Aerys II Targaryen, his first cousin once removed, was killed during Robert's Rebellion. I'm shocked that Robert Baratheon won, and more shocked that it wasn't even a close vote. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Robert also has a better weapon along with greater reach, greater strength, greater stamina, greater size and is probably around as skilled. Does it sound too easy? Since Robert could never even hit Arthur at the edge of Arthur's threat range, then, yes, it would have been all too easy for Arthur to avoid Robert's attacks until Robert tired. All in all, I think a confrontation between Arthur Dayne and Robert Baratheon ends with Dayne floating down a crimson river 7 or 8 times out of 10. Its possible that he was a better lance than he was a sword. And on the right side, the man with the warhammer. @nishi99: I'm pretty sure he won only at the joust. Either way these are super fun and I thought both champions did a great job considering that we really never hear first hand accounts of either of these guys in action. I got the info from an offhand source at Westros.org so don't quote me. You are indeed where you belong. I wouldn't put him at the same level though. Stalemate if Dayne is using normal swordDayne if with Dawn. Robert I Baratheon is the King of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm of Westeros, and the head of House Baratheon of King's Landing. Gearwise, Robert generally has a reach advantage, but Dawn depletes that considerably and is also lighter and far more durable than anything less than Valyrian steel. Absolutely no chance Robert beats Dayne, no chance whatsoever. And he gave Robert a good fight. He is just on another level. Peter Parker gets drafted by an NFL team. Just wanted to specify this point, as I think it's very important to the outcome of the fight. What does this mean? Female Robert Baratheon * Robarra was dauntless, a force of nature, the centre of any room she was in even at sixteen. He didn't say anything about them being the top swordsmen to the best of my knowledge, but it does kinda go without saying anyway. Although these sometimes give some contradictory information. 4 Reply Cinematica09 4 yr. ago How dare you??!! The argument pretty much boiled down to the belief that the hammer trumps all. Following the war, Robert married Cersei Lannister to ensure political . Our fifth debate and first semi-final, (Robert Baratheon vs. Arthur Dayne) was a matchup between two reknowned warriors with legendary weapons that added to their ability. we dont know how long it took robert to find him in that huge battle. Which Greek god can last the longest in NNN? He most likely gets stabbed from behind. Rhaegar won the Tourney at Harrenhal beating both Dayne & Selmy. Robert Baratheon was not as expected. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. In the end Ser Arthur would have lost to the Demon's Fury! In the end, it came down to Roberts proven history over Arthurs ultimate defeat. Robert baratheon, is a berserker, with superior stregth, and reach (with his warhammer) If Arthur had Dawn, he is unbeatable, but with an ordinary, or even valyrian steel sword, it evens the odds out. Arthur Dayne How will the amazing knight do against his dominant opponent? All we know is he was the finest knight, skilled, and wielded the mysterious Dawn. One shot and Dayne is done, but by Martin's word he is Barristan's equal, meaning by most anyone's standards, he has to be placed among the top 5 most skilled warriors in ASoIaF history. I thought if the two characters fought 100 duels it would be around 51 to 49. if arthur even gets close, hes in trouble. One on hand, we have King Bobby B. himself. @the_red_viper: We really don't know. Assuming book versions, Dayne 6/10 with high difficulty. Dayne wins here, but not without very high difficulty, and not a large majority at that. Our two debaters had previously championed their characters and were returning: /u/codylac on behalf of Robert and /u/TheRealDills for Arthur debated for over three hours about whether Roberts war hammer could reach an evading Arthur. Robert's argument was basically, I can wield this warhammer one-handed and I only need one clean hit. Scenario 3: None of Robert's enemies are solidly armored, and he presumably would be, so that's a leg up for him, but against four opponents, that's an uphill fight. Robert will take some time to recover from an attack and get his weapon back into a neutral stance, especially if Robert is swinging with one hand, as codylac brought up. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. For now, however, he needed to deal with a King who - under the jovial bonhomie - clearly had a brain that was good for something more than keeping his ears from touching each other. He is just on another level. Round 1 is the closest, since Robert in his prime was really solid. There's four potential weapons coming at Dayne, and while he does some decent maneuvering to keep people attacking from the same angle, they still fail at hitting him while his back is turned or while he's doing that fancy, 'slit a guys throat with both swords while he's blocking' move. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features Press Copyright Contact us Creators . Looking forward to your opinions! Whyd you vote the way you did? Great Debate! All he had was his height and his strength. I have only seen the shows, but according to the book even Ned could not pick up Robert's Warhammer. Thankfully, we know from the show that no one in Ned's group is extremely competent, nor strong, as they seem unable to overpower a guy using just one hand to block their strikes when most of them are fighting with a two handed grip, nor are they actually capable of attacking as a unit properly. But a person can only take so much before enough is enough. Dayne. I've got to say I'm pretty surprised I won the debate, seeing as how Arthur's fandom on this sub Reddit is pretty immense but thanks to everyone who voted and I can't wait to see Robert through to becoming the tournament champ ;). King Robert heads into the finale! Debate #6 between Barristan Selmy and Syrio Forel will take place on Wednesday, time yet to be determined. During Robert's Rebellion, King Aerys II Targaryen sent Gerold Hightower, Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, to retrieve Rhaegar.The prince returned to the crownlands, but left Gerold, Ser Arthur Dayne, and Ser Oswell Whent to guard Lyanna at the tower. I belive that people started putting them on certain level based on this quote: "..I learned from the White Bull and Barristan the Bold I learned from Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning, who could have slain all five of you with his left hand while he was taking a piss with the right. News and discussions relating to George R. R. Martin's "A Song of Ice and Fire" novels, his Westeros-based short stories, the "Game of Thrones" and "House of the Dragon" TV series, and all things ASOIAF - but with particular emphasis on the written series. Let's see!#asoiaf #shorts #grrm #gameofthrones #gameofthronesfan. But even Barristan considered him an. I don't have a quote so don't take me for my word, but I believe GRRM stated that without Dawn, Dayne and Prime Selmy would be the top swordsmen. @ussj3071: This is all true, and yet Rhaegar Targaryen, who was very far behind Arthur as a fighter, gave Robert the fight of his life. Robert only needs one hit. If Robert isn't bloodlusted he will be severely outclassed. We're voting on who made the better arguments. Searching Browse AD FREE for less than 84 a month with an SHDb membership. Rhaegar is good but still a tier or two below Dayne. A Forum of Ice and Fire A Song of Ice and Fire & Game of Thrones I agree on all accounts really. Prime versions for the GoT team . This is the most basic combat skill any castle-trained lordling would be taught and you can be certain that Dayne was a master of it. Edit: I thought it meant show Robert in round 2. Not Canon Compliant. Arthur Dayne has superior skill, grace, and swiftness. (Spoilers Main) Who is this Celtigar woman missing an eye? This is always available (in addition to lots more info) on the tournament hub. The votes were: 258 to 174. Geralt of Rivia vs Game of Thrones team. He was a Lord from like 16 so he may never have said his vows. Getting such a heavy weapon back into a neutral stance will also limit what he's able to do, where as Dayne's weapon is far more balanced and allows him to recover easily. (Spoilers Extended) Theory Request: Why did no Dragon Press J to jump to the feed. I think the battlefield advantage coupled with Robert's "one-hit kill" style gives him the win here. I expected this one to be fairly close, not having Robert win by a hefty margin. www.patreon.com/WilliamBernard===== Equipment Used For Video Edits:2021 Apple iMac 24. House Dayne of Starfall is a noble house from Dorne and a vassal to House Martell. According to a semi-canon source, Prince Rhaegar Targaryen kept Lyanna Stark at the tower of joy after her abduction near Harrenhal. 7 years ago #3 EquinoxMonster I'm. Dayne with Dawn. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Can IRL science and blacksmiths forge a katana that would How many superpowers can Batman get in 24 hours? Plus Arthur Dayne could have been a good night based on his honour etc, rather than his fighting prowess. Sep 6, 2022. The Sword of Morning however is a different story. I agree, Robert was a beast. so kudos to him! Dayne. Their seat is the castle of Starfall. They probably said the same thing about Rhaegar. sometimes a huge advantage in offence, physical size and strength can be enough to beat speed and skill. Gregor is a beast without a doubt, but there are few characters who have a good chance against him. Robert Baratheon (in his prime) vs. Arthur Dayne Serious The demon of the trident vs. the sword of the morning. Actually, I'd put my money on Robert. Please remember that all tournament posts are Spoilers All! There are three basic reasons, and it really breaks down simply. Would his brute strength have overpowered the incredible swordsmanship of The Sword of the Morning. Robert Baratheon and Ser Arthur Dayne face off, how do their skills and attributes stack up? Arthur or Jaime are described to be. Robert isn't better than Dayne, and its doubtful he'd win in a fight, regardless of circumstance. I asked him if he would be willing to nominate himself again on behalf of Sir Arthur during the nomination process, so we could have a champion versus champion battle and he happily obliged. Scenario 2: Assuming armor works as it's supposed to and stuff, Robert probably wins here. Answer (1 of 24): Here be spoilers! I was quite surprised that it wasn't mentioned that Ned Stark called Arthur Dayne the greatest knight ever, without even talking up Bobby B, his BFF. Instead of Robb influencing Theon, the opposite occurred. He beat Arthur Dayne, Brandon Stark and Barristan at Harrenhal, before crowing Lyanna queen of love and beauty. 2022 GAMESPOT, A FANDOM COMPANY. The winner of the golden flair and the champion who convinced everyone that his warrior would win is: codylac for Robert Baratheon! Still, it was a cool debate to see. . And well even without statements, Selmy has the most impressive feats in recent history (and he has quite a lot of those), and Dayne is always considered his peer in terms of raw skill, along with feats like killing the Smiling Knight and many statements, for example Ned describing him as the finest swordsman he had ever seen. Remember, though, dont discuss the debaters themselves or anything like that. I was dying to chime in during the debate that Arthur Dayne would not be "running away" from Robert Baratheon, or tiring himself out by evading Robert's attacks, he would be performing simple distance control. 7 Reply Any suggestions going forward? What do you think, guys? The skill that he possesses is a dark horse since our only real source is 15 year old Jaime. Honestly swords in general better as secondary weapons on the field. Robert Baratheon vs. Jaime Lannister Thread starter Lee-Sensei; Start date Apr 26, 2019 Apr 26, 2019 Robert's hammer is deadly, but incredibly heavy and despite his freakish strength, Robert would have to commit when he is attacking with such a heavy weapon. Ser Arthur Dayne vs Young Robert Baratheon #1 Edited By EquinoxMonster 7 years ago #2 cpt_nice Ser Dayne, if he can use Dawn. I am officially team Robert for the rest of the tournament! Here goes! His warhammer is made specifically to crush shit, and was so heavy that Ned could barely lift it. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Their ancestral weapon is Dawn, a blade forged from the metal of a fallen star. Answer (1 of 32): I'll break with my usual tradition and make this a short answer. Dawn might be able to do more damage than a typical great sword, but we'll probably never know. Come join our discussions, post your own battles and kick some ass! 41.2K 1.1K 12. Lots of chaos. Robert was about 6'6 and wore a Stag helm, whi. Not because Robert was as skilled as him, but because he's got several advantages during the battle of the Trident: (I'll assume it's a 1-on-1 fight without anyone actively trying to interrupt or join the fight, otherwise it's a "normal" battlefield). Dayne in the show is not impressive. The demon of the trident vs. the sword of the morning. Unless he's able to stop him with a precision strike through a joint or helm, Robert will probably close on Dayne very quickly. All hail Bobby B! An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works Warhammers were designed to be brutal against armored opponents, and Robert had the option of wielding it with a shield. It was my pleasure, and congratulations on the victory it was very well earned. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I agree with the warhammer part. I'm ganna give it to Robert, one hit and Arthur is done. He also keeps blocking attacks with both swords, which is a weaker block than blocking with just one sword with a two hand grip. With limited vision and somewhat limited movement by his armor his chance of just evading like /u/TheRealDills suggested just wasn't possible. There is even the possibility that because of his weapon's design and weight that it could get stuck in the stone. I know you hear about it throughout the series, but the idea of a guy that big and powerful wielding a weapon like that.. in one hand?? CONTEXT Robert Baratheon Let's first take a look at Robert. Arthur Dayne/Elia Martell (138) Robert Baratheon/Lyanna Stark (135) Brandon Stark/Catelyn Tully Stark (129) Include Additional Tags Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence (617) Alternate Universe - Modern Setting (275) Elia Martell Lives (236) R Plus L Equals J | Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen are Jon Snow's Parents (208) Shortly after Eddard Stark's father and brother were killed by the Mad King, Arys called for the heads of Bob Baratheon and The Ned. As per The Battle of the Seven Stars we know that Valayrian Steel can slice through plate armor and Dawn is described as sharp as it, so I think I would favor Dayne in this round up. Robb became more like a southern lord than a northern one and Jon felt the consequences. Arthur Dayne vs Robert Baratheon. This isnt a place to criticize anyone -- its all in good fun. I would still go for Arthur though, out of skill, and swiftness. Round 3 Robert would have a chance, but it's doubtful he's skilled enough to beat all of them at once. The weight of Robert's weapon also affects him after he's finished an attack. Grats, Dayne, you've lost all leverage. Robert beat Prince Rhaegar & Rhaegar was a legendary swordsman. He makes ol' Mag feel weak when thunders strait through enemy lines to smash the skulls of his enemies. he was no slouch in skill or speed (trained by an arms master almost from birth), covered in armor, and wielded a massive warhammer thats specifically designed to crush armor (usual tactic is aim for the gaps). Well see him again in on September 10 when he fights either Syrio Forel or Barristan Selmy. Was Robert ever a knight? He is Dayne's equal if both were fighting with regular swords. The terrain works to the "dodger's" disadvantage. Feel free to discuss the debate topic here. Fck the fat King Bobby B! He sounds like he's quite literally the best fighter mentioned in the series. So, if Dayne moves effectively, which he should given his weight and lighter weapon, it will leave Robert open to an attack. . Robert's champion did, and I acknowledged that in my vote. He's still lively, he's very much so into him prime, and he's experienced in combat. Menu. Flavor off: Ser Gerold has the clear reach advantage in this fight, where Lord Baratheon's defence is slightly better thanks to his shield. Jamie's reputation as top swordsman and few other accolades probably influenced people opinions aswell. A Forum of Ice and Fire A Song of Ice and Fire & Game of Thrones For a full schedule, please see the tournament hub. He would need to evade every single attack because he does not have the physical strength to block Roberts warhammer and a single blow from that huge hammer would probably break enough bones to decide the duel. And you say this based on the vast amount of knowledge GRRM has revealed to us about Arthur Dayne?